What can I do for to help against this INJUSTICE?: http://www.iadcro.com/iadcroinformation.html (new)
Second VIDEO: Mr. Antonio Pozuelos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j3320UgY2o&feature=channel
Fourth VIDEO: Mr. Antonio Pozuelos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlEwlNsVl2c&feature=channel
Fifth VIDEO: Mrs. Rosana Alvarez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM1z_ySMWfk&feature=channel
Sixth VIDEO: Mrs. Rosana Alvarez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcJLDvrnUp4&feature=channel
Seventh VIDEO: Mrs. Rosana Alvarez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n22HuYDAjc&feature=channel
Eighth VIDEO: Mr. Demetrio Madrid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4nPZ5LUEw&feature=channel
In the FIRST IADCRO INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS about BSL, has been demonstrated scientifically the nonexistence of Dangerous or Potentially Dangerous breeds dogs. http://www.iadcro.com/informationcongress.html
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Rapporteurs of the First International Congress IADCRO. Left to right, Mr. Antonio Pozuelos, Mr. Demetrio Madrid, Mr. Mariano Peinado, Mrs. Rosana Alvarez.
The First International IADCRO Congress celebrated in Madrid, Spain, has been everything a success, in where HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED SCIENTIFICALLY THE NON EXISTENCE OF DANGEROUS OR POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS BREEDS DOGS. The attending public has been very satisfied with the action with the rapporteurs, showing to them his endorsement and support in this right cause, which is the cause of all animal lovers. In this Congress, we have shown to the Spanish Government, our complete disagreement with the present Law of the Potentially Dangerous Dogs (Law PPP or BSL), under the scientific point of view.
the information of all you, enclosed the four communications of the
participants in the First International IADCRO Congress ,
Saturday 13 of June in the hall Plenary sessions of the Municipal Meeting of
the City council of
FIRST INTERNATIONAL IADCRO CONGRESS.
Communications in sequence of action:
….............. COMMUNICATION OF Mr. MARIANO PEINADO.
Good afternoon. My name is Mariano Peinado and I have the honor to be the president of IADCRO. From that we compose IADCRO, I give to all you, like our guests rapporteurs, the Welcome and gratefulness to all to attend this First International IADCRO Congress, to endorse us in this right cause, which, I imagine that also you are the cause of all, showing our complete disagreement the Spanish Government with the Law of the Potentially Dangerous Dogs, well-known popularly like Law PPP (BSL).
The Agenda of the Congress, will consist of dismantling step by step this Law PPP scientifically for being a discriminatory, and unjustly ineffective Law, proclaiming” the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous canine races”, as we come realising for a long time, but this time of different way, since we will also do in addition it of scientific way by mouth to the its own protagonists.
By this same one in IADCRO, we vindicated the nonconvenience of the cataloguing by Law of no canine race like Potentially Dangerous, as at the moment unfortunately are eight noble canine races in Law PPP. Those that we are within the canine world for or some years, (in me case since I have reason use at the moment I have 44 years), say especially to my experience that the term of Potentially Dangerous would be due to only attribute to the dogs of any race, size or mixed and like individuals, that by its bad character and bad conduct make fear for the physical integrity of the people, specially with the children.
Also they come to endorse our vindication, our guests rapporteurs:
Mr. Antonio Pozuelos, President of AEPE and unique Doctorate in
Later, Mrs. Rosana Alvarez, Veterinaria and Clinical Ethology. Assiduous rapporteur of
the courses of Clinical Ethology of the
· And Finally, Mr. Demetrio Madrid, First President of Castilla y Leon. Ex- Senator and ex- Deputy in several legislatures. He was the Creator of the unique acceptable amendment like effective joust and before the IADCRO eyes, before originating unfortunate Law PPP, being the unique amendment that was realised at the time, that agrees with the ideas and the expositions of IADCRO and that we asked for the present Government of Spain. Unfortunately, this superb amendment did not have majority to be approved at its time.
The solution that offered the Spanish Government at the time to solve the attacks of dogs to people, consisted of elaborating quickly and running the Law PPP, to silence the social alarm who had been generated, although it had to criminalize to eight noble canine races and also it consisted of the acquisition of an Administrative License, happening evidently through box.
To put an example of the absurd thing of this solution to say, that in San Sebastián-Donostia, All the centers of psicotécnicas tests, THEY REFUSE to realise the tests for the obtaining of License PPP, being alleged reasons of moral, ethics and professionalism, by the ineffective thing of the Law PPP…. in short, the words exceed….
The term of Potentially Dangerous, would be due to only attribute to the dogs of any race, size or mixed and always like individuals, that by its bad character and bad conduct make fear for the physical integrity of the people, especially by the children.
5 - In IADCRO we have the conviction that Uniting the Subject of the Congress,” the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous canine races”, with the vindication of IADCRO and all you in this Congress, of “the nonconvenience of cataloguing by Law to no canine race like Potentially Dangerous”, would provide a good solution to this important social problem. By this same one and from this Congress, WE FORMALLY ASKED FOR the Spanish Government, not eliminating present Law PPP, if not rather MODIFYING IT, since altering it not much, he could work very well. The modification of Law PPP would consist of the following aspects:
a) At any moment to foment in Law PPP the Proprietor RESPONSIBLE of dog, they are of any race, mestization or charts, criminalizing to the irresponsible proprietor and not to the eight noble and wonderful canine races.
b) The modification of Law PPP suppressing completely Annex 1, where they appear the name of the eight noble and wonderful catalogued canine races like Potentially Dangerous; The American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire BulI Terrier, American Staffodshire Terrier, Rottweiler, Argentine Bulldog, Brazilian Fila, Tosa Inu and Akita Inu.
Also suppressing the point first of Annex 2, where the physical characteristics of the supposedly Potentially Dangerous dog are described.
c) We solicit that in the Law PPP, I mistreat animal of first degree is contemplated like crime.
In IADCRO we pleaded for the responsible possession and once modified present Law PPP, one would be due to even contemplate like crime and with pain of jail, to those irresponsible proprietors who their dogs, are of the race which they are, mixed or of any stature, they have been the very serious causes of the death of a person or wounds.
As much in the canine species as in the human species, the aggressive conduct is determined of a very similar way, of this would more ahead speak the ethologys scientists to us who accompany to us. What it never determines the aggressiveness in the human species and in the canine species, is the race to which belongs the individual. For example in the human species, the black race does not have so that to be more aggressive than the white race or the yellow race, and in the canine species, the canine race American Pit Bull Terrier, Rottweiler, Argentine Bulldog or anyone of the rest of the races badly catalogued in Law PPP like Potentially Dangerous, do not have so that to be more aggressive than the Collie race, that Labrador Retriever or the Cocker race.
The factor of the aggressiveness, is in the dog like individual and not in the race. The aggressiveness generates the lived and learned lessons and negative experiences in its surroundings from puppy, the bad education and the same defects or complexes that his proprietor to the transmitírselos suffers direct or indirectly. The aggressiveness is not generated by the race of the animal, that is to say, or all the races are Potentially Dangerous or she is not it any, we in IADCRO we affirmed that no race is it. In view of which the human factor is fundamental so that the aggressive behavior of the dogs is generated or not, it becomes necessary to modify Law PPP urgently, to begin this way to foment the Possession Responsible for the Proprietor, independently the race that it owns, happening to clear as rapidly as possible of Law PPP, the names of the races badly catalogued like Potentially Dangerous, given his nonexistence and as of that moment, the Law would begin to be effective and right, making recover the lost dignity to the dogs pertaining to the eight noble races along with its responsible proprietors, who live under this negative cataloguing and unjust discrimination for too many years.
To catalogue like Potentially Dangerous to an animal by its race or its physical characteristics thus immediately, is something ridiculous that never was maintained zootechnical, nor scientifically, since then by this same rule of three, also we would have to define with this unjust one and negative cataloguing to all the other races of dogs, even to the races of small dogs, so that they given their physical characteristics, are more than enabled to kill to she drinks, since in fact it has happened in innumerable occasions we can appreciate and it in the statistics of attacks of dogs to people of several countries you drink, them are human also. Then What we do? We catalogue by Law to all the existing races (600) like Potentially Dangerous? I believe that you will be in agreement with us who this would be a great barbarism, cataloguing so negatively and of that way to the best friend of the man from the beginnings of the humanity.
Recently, another Investigation has been realised to verify that there is of certain in the aggressiveness of certain races. This time Don Joaquin has realised it the Spanish investigator Perez Stew, which not this today between us by agenda problems, but has assured to us that it will not lack for the next Congress of IADCRO, and to this it has realised it investigation in the University of Cordova: The result of the investigation, was what the etólogos scientists who accompany to us in today, already knew for enough time, that the dogs are aggressive if they receive a bad education, not by their race. http://www.iadcro.com/estudio.html
Within this investigation, races catalogued like potentially Dangerous in Law aggressive PPP and considered are included like the American Pit Bull Terrier or the Rottweiler erroneously. The conclusions surprise: The investigation affirms, that the main guilty of the attacks by dominance or competition of their mascots are the irresponsible proprietors.
According to investigating Don Joaquin Perez-Stew, main author of the study of this investigation, some factors that cause aggressiveness in the dogs are: the fact that the owners have not had a dog before, not to put under it a basic training of obedience, to allow or to mimar to the dog in excess, not to use the punishment of physical type when this one is necessary, to acquire the dog with the intentions of simple gift, mascot for defense or whim, to castrate the females, to leave the food him of indefinite form, or to dedicate to him generally and in its strolls just a short time.
“The ignorance of all these factors, would harness east type of aggressiveness to the individual and would conform what colloquially we could call like giving a bad education to our dog”, explains Perez-Stew.
The team of investigators of Perez Stew, studied 711 dogs (354 males and 357 females) of which 594 were of pure race and 117 mestizos majors of a year. Between the observed races they emphasize the Bull Terrier, the apparently more docile American Pit Bull Terrier, Bóxer, Rottweiler, Doberman, as well as races like the Dalmatian, the Irish Setter, the Golden Delicious ones retriever, the Farmer to retriever, the Caniche miniature, the Chihuahua, the Pekinés, or the French Bulldog, that also show dominant and aggressive attitudes.
The conclusion to this investigation, makes by itself fall the subject of the Congress of today,” the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous canine races”. And one becomes to show, the urgent necessity of the Modification of present Law PPP in Spain, since like we can verify in the investigations, the one that a dog attacks a person, the unique person in charge and culprit is the human, his irresponsible proprietor, then it is necessary to legislate to foment the responsible proprietor and to criminalize to the irresponsible proprietor, not to eight noble and wonderful canine races.
- IN IADCRO WE ASKED the GOVERNMENT the unjust, the discriminatory one Modification of and ineffective Law PPP, since it absolutely does not protect the Citizen, this has been demonstrated in more than 7 years than it takes implanted like Law, from the 22 of March of the 2002 and he will never be able to solve this great problem that has the Spanish society, rather quite the opposite, the situation gets worse every day that happens.
The primary target of IADCRO, is the descatalogación like Potentially Dangerous races to the eight noble races contemplated like so in unfortunate Law PPP.
The majority of the dogs that yes that is really Potentially Dangerous and that are it like individuals of all the races and mestizos, so that its bad character with the people has determined therefore it, are not forced by Law PPP to have an insurance not to belong to one of the eight races including in Law PPP, and so after attacking a person, in many cases the irresponsible owner of that animal is declared insolvent, not to cover with the expenses that an irresponsibility derives from such characteristics.
Just as the dead hundreds of or produced severely woundeds in traffic accidents in freeways, when trying to avoid to run over dogs, many of them of small size and that they also bring about deaths of people, being its free irresponsible proprietors and without punishment. All these people who have been victims of a way or another one, are abandoned and without aid because of this dangerous, discriminatory and ineffective Real Decree of 2002 or Law PPP, are a shame of Law and also it would be a shame that Politicians directed to us allowed who it.
By this and other similar details, are what causes that present Law PPP not only does not protect the citizen, if who in addition causes that Law PPP is dangerous for the citizens, so that in very many cases the victims are abandoned by this Law PPP, leaving it do not go to the majority of the dogs that really are Potentially Dangerous. Or all the races are Potentially Dangerous or she is not it any, IADCRO and all the guests rapporteurs of the Congress, affirm that no race is Dangerous or Potentially Dangerous. The right and outside effective Law so that, would have the same to be for all the dogs, without race discriminations and as of that moment, doubtless the Law will offer MAJOR SECURITY TO the CITIZEN and MAJOR SECURITY TO the DOGS Generally, being a right, effective law and for all the same. These are the foundations for any successful Law.
has always said that to rectify it is of wise people. This it is the case of several
Countries, some of them quite near
IADCRO, we have advised to the Ministries Agriculture of several countries that
they had implanted Laws similar to the Spanish, like for example
The conclusion to these rectifications, makes by itself fall the subject of the Congress of today,” the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous canine races”, becoming to show, the urgent necessity of the Modification of present Law PPP in Spain.
Another one of the data to which we talked about to affirm” the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous canine races”, we found in the statistics of the accidents caused by attack of dog the human. In the first positions of the races that attack the people more, are those races that are not including in the list of Law PPP.
If Potentially Dangerous races really existed, It would not be logical that these lists agreed in all the countries contemplate that them?
There is no unamimity at world-wide level about the races catalogued like potentially dangerous, existing great differences between countries, or to omit national races, discrimination towards foreign ancestries for political reasons, or particular experiences of each region against attacks and mordeduras of diverse types of dogs. All this comes to mean, that the creation of lists of races cataloguing them like Potentially Dangerous, does not have any value nor Zootechnical rigor sustains that it.
The races that are catalogued like the “Potentially Dangerous ones” in Law PPP, peculiarly are of best for the rescue and the rescue of people and for Therapies with physical and psychic handicappeds with exceptional results. The eight canine races badly catalogued by the Spanish Government like Potentially Dangerous, this more than demonstrated than really are very beneficial for the Spanish society.
4 - WHEN I AM CREATED LAW PPP, ONE DID NOT CONSIDER To the professionals of the canine union (Veterinary Associations (like AMVAC of Madrid and ACUAC of Catalonia), Institutions and International Associations related to the dogs, to investigators like Joaquin Perez Stew, the Naturalist Luis Miguel Domínguez Mencía, et cetera. But to who really done of less for the accomplishment of this Law PPP, it went more to the indicated professionals of the canine world for this task, the Etólogos Scientists.
case of the ETOLOGOS, the Government has not considered to them, being the suitable professionals
of the canine subject more for the advising at the time of creating a right and
effective Law in the dogs and their proprietors, in addition they are
scientists in this question. The Spanish association of etólogos
AEPE and to their president Don Antonio Pozuelos, ONLY Doctorate in
The ethologys contribute their demonstrable reasonings scientifically and affirm of the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous races and the nonconvenience for the society and the dogs generally, creating Lists of races with this type of negative cataloguings without no strictly speaking zootechnical type sustains that it.
If one had considered to previously mentioned, before creating present Law PPP, the Subject of the Congress of today would have fallen by itself,” the nonexistence of Potentially Dangerous canine races”, and we would not have arrived at the necessity of these moments so urgent, the one of the Modification of present Law PPP in Spain.
The negative cataloguing of “Potentially Dangerous” races or similars denominations, is not the adapted thing, since that cataloguing is the worse sentence alive and defenseless beings who are, being able to arrive at the extermination and the ruin for anyone from the canine races that are catalogued or considered of that way.
- the Pope Juan Pablo II said that “the animals also own soul and the human beings we must love them and being shared in common with our smaller brothers”.
Those that Govern and the legislators to us, would have to take note from these wise words of the Pope Juan Pablo II and to apply it with the dogs, especially with the dogs pertaining to the eight races the condemned to undergo all type of maltratos, that could take to their extinction by such cataloguings.
Until the Modification does not become effective of Law PPP, the animalitos pertaining to the eight races along with their responsible proprietors, will not have peace nor rest.
going to give to passage to our guests Rapporteurs,
to which IADCRO is thankful for very many the effort that
they have had to realise to attend the Congress, coming to
Two of the rapporteurs are, a Canine Etólogo and to a Clinical Etóloga and would want to inform to them that the professionals who dedicate themselves to the science of the customs, ethology, are professional scientists who study the science of the behavior of the animal in their natural means, in this case, the one of the canine races and the mestizos among them. From the scientific point of view they would speak, us to near the unfortunate one and effective Real Decree of the Potentially Dangerous dogs and from this same scientific point of view, they would speak also us of the nonconvenience of cataloguing like Potentially Dangerous to the eight races that at the moment are contemplated with such definition in Law PPP.
And the last rapporteur is Don Demetrio Madrid, that was the creator of the unique acceptable amendment like effective joust and before the IADCRO eyes, before originating unfortunate Law PPP, being the unique amendment that was realised at the time that it agrees with the expositions and requests from IADCRO to the present Government of Spain.
The following rapporteur is:
Mr. Antonio Pozuelos Jiménez De Cisneros. President of the Association For
the Study of the Dog and its Surroundings AEPE.
Unique Doctorate in
Mr. Antonio has the word ...........
COMMUNICATION OF Mr. ANTONIO POZUELOS.
1. - Artificial selection of Canis familiaris to the benefit of the human factors of survival.
The Man, for 16,000 years, domestic servant to the dog and has been beginning to select the races, based on his characteristics and of the function that will occupy in the workings that optimize their own factors of survival.
At present, that diversification and specialization it seems to become blurred although the races would be created like “specialists”. Thus, hypermetric Nordic dogs, Terriers or act company as when its original function was very different. However, the individuals of “all the races” properly manipulated in their period of socialization, can act this as.
A law right, and based on behavioural selective principles, would have to divide of the advising of the owner with a view to the acquisition of the individual and the suitable race for its needs.
2. - The instinct and the learned conducts.
The conduct of the Dog, like the one of any altricial species, obeys to a complex interaction between innate and the learned thing.
A conduct will be innate when the individual executes that it has been isolated from the birth and is able to realise it we placed even though it in a different context.
The dog, like any animal, maintains two instincts in its birth: survival and reproduction. All those directed conducts to satisfy any factor with one of the instincts we catalogued, them like: complex conducts. Those conducts must be learned in altriciales species. Thus, the hunting conduct must be taught by the ancestors or, in the case of the dog and of presenting/displaying imprinting heterospecífico, by the human and the ancestors.
All the animal, including the humans, we presented/displayed instinctive aggressiveness as selective factor of adaptation although the pathological aggressiveness can appear in any individual of any species or race.
One of the aims of the law must be the detection of the individuals of any race that can present/display this type of aggressiveness. The breeder must be the guarantor of this task and for it must be a professional properly trained.
3. - Heredabilidad of the conduct and supposed genetic transmission of the racial aggressiveness.
The present studies aim at that the heredabilidad of the conduct is not significantly different from zero. There is a character that if it is transmitted in a greater percentage: the fear. This character can be responsible for anomalous conducts like: hyperactivity, nervousness, discharge emocionalidad, deciphered evil of signals or aggressiveness of the defensive type.
On the other hand, the Dog like dissolute species, receives all the parental cares of the mother and/or the human. If the mother presents/displays learned aggressiveness, the puppies also can with an ample probability, being dangerous, not by genetics but by learning, that is to say, the nonadaptive aggressiveness is not inherited but it can be learned.
The races enjoy concrete characteristics for which they were selected. Thus, there are selected dogs of great mandibular force for takes hold of head of cattle, endurance for pasturing or agility and sense of smell for hunting. All can be aggressive by learning or by deficiency but all “they only bring” in his genetic message that one part of the necessary aggressiveness for the survival.
The law must prevent that individual without scruples they raise and they manipulate animal with aggression aims intra or specific Inter. He is not proven that exists unscrupulous citizen aggressive races but.
4. - Scientific Advising of the legislators for the development of the Law.
In order to undertake the task of legislating, in matter that affects million citizen owners of mascots, the advisory rapporteur must look for properly enters the professionals trained and whose academic file is the indicated one and specific for the subject that occupies and worries to the public opinion.
In the elaboration of this law the veterinary advising, etológico and genetic has been excluded indeed that is left into the hands of criadores, clubs, trainers or professionals of other fields nonrelated to the biosanidad nor to the Behavior animal.
· Races more aggressive do not exist than “genetically nonapt” individual others but in anyone of them.
· The pathological aggressiveness is learned of the ancestors or the humans.
· The Administration is responsible for which the citizen has access to a serious information at the time of choosing an animal of any race.
· The Law must demand responsibility to the breeder, manipulator and trainer of any animal that can cause damage. For it, and in its development, it will have to take the necessary measures so that these form in regulated centers establishing, of that form, a recognized profession.
· A law does not have to go against any species nor race but of the manipulations that they are put under by unscrupulous citizens.
ANTONIO POZUELOS JIMÉNEZ OF CISNEROS. Doctoral program in Physical Anthropology. Graduated in University
Advanced Studies of 3º Cycle (line of investigation; behavior
animal and human). Adviser and therapist in behavior
animal (own title of the
The Following rapporteur is:
Mrs. Rosana Alvarez. Lawyer in Veterinary medicine and scientist in
Clinical Ethology. Assiduous rapporteur of the courses of Clinical Ethology
Do6na Rosana has the word ...........
COMMUNICATION of Mrs. ROSANA ALVAREZ.
THE ABSURD THING OF THE LAW OF POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS DOGS
Before entering detailing the title of this exhibition, I want to pause a little while in making them contributor of an investigation recently realised in the University of Cordova, of the whose news echo became the Magazine of the School of Veterinarians of Malaga:
The aggressive attitude of the dogs depends on the education that receive on the part of their owners and not as much of the race to whom they belong, according to it reveals a study made by the University of Cordova and published by the Information service and the Scientific News.
“Many dogs are sacrificed or left by their violent attitude, but contrary to which it thinks, in the aggressive conduct of the dog the race has little protagonism with respect to all the factors that depend on the owner”
The investigation equipment aimed that the external factors, modifiable and dependent of the owner are those that influence more in the attitude of the animal. According to the main author of the study, Joaquin Perez Stew, the fact that the owners have not had a dog before, not to put under it a basic training of obedience, to allow to the dog in excess, not to use the punishment of physical type when it is necessary, to castrate the females, to leave the food him of indefinite form or to dedicate to him just a short time, conditions the attitude of the animal.
On the other hand, he assures that there are certain dependent elements of the dog that are associate to a greater aggressiveness by dominance, like for example determined races, masculine sex, the small size or the age of five to seven years. Nevertheless, these factors represent “a minimum weight” in the violent behavior of the dog.
After analyzing the results of the study, Perez Stew considers that “it is not normal that the dogs that receive the suitable education maintain dominance behaviors aggressive” and indicates that in case this happens would have to some medical or organic problem “that can bring about changes of conduct in the dog”.
The study, that has recently published in the Journal of Animal and Veterinary Advances, part of the data of which near the 40 percent of the aggressions by dominance of the dogs they are tie to “little authoritarian owners” who never have realised basic training of obedience with their mascots or that, they have done if it, has been of minimum form.
In the study 711 dogs participated (354 males and 357 females), of which 594 were of pure race and 117 mestizos majors of a year, between the races were Bullterrier, American Pitbullterrier, German Shepherd, Boxer, Rottweiler, Dobermann, Dalmatian, Irish, Golden Delicious Setter retriever, Farm to retriever, Caniche miniature, Chihuahua, Pekinés or French Bulldog.
With this I have not done more than to ratify what one has before said by my companions rapporteurs.
According to the norm, with the entrance in force of Decree 42/2008 of 12 of February, by that the Potentially Dangerous Animal possession is regulated in the Independent Community of Andalusia, the necessity is created to establish criteria for the appointment of VVPPP and the planning and organization of credited specific courses in the matter, that enable and form to the veterinarians in the necessary aspects for the suitable valuation of the Potential Danger of Dogs.
Then, I am called Rosana Alvarez and I am Veterinary Valorador of the Potential Danger of Perros (VVPPP). This title cost 150€ that I paid to me, like many other companions, for 8 hours intensive in a course that turned out to be a farce and a model of nonsense for all the assistants. With a day of formation, about which half was developed listening to speak of legislation, and only the other half dealed with the subject of the aggressiveness, tried that the veterinarians we formed like “enabled to value the aggressiveness of a dog”, when the aggressiveness is matter of a University Masters or a course of 800 hours like which we distributed.
And that is not the worse thing of the subject, that one was not serious, did not seem a formation course, seemed “the corral of the marijuana user”. The worse thing of this norm, is that those that we not even understand of this we will be able to diagnose when we go to value the case of a dangerous dog. We will not be able to say if the problem comes from here or from or has this there or that one solution, soon to treat it. The unique thing that is required to us is that we certify if a dog IS or HE IS NOT potentially dangerous. What want that it says gentlemen to them! For that I prefer that they do not call to me, although this way could amortize the money that cost the certificate to me. He could not carry out the profession that as much I like and as much work has cost to remove to me ahead, the one of specialistic Veterinarian in conduct problems. Although if I do not go, they clear the certificate to me, what seems to them?
Most graceful it is than in the documentation of the course, there is a chapter that is called PREVENTION OF MORDEDURAS, WHAT TO DO BEFORE a POSSIBLE AGGRESSION, BASIC RULES OF SURVIVAL. That is to say, before an aggression, we must decide to us things like: not to watch at the dog the eyes, not to put to us squatting, if we are running or in bicycle to stop to us, not to move the arms, if we fall to protect the vital organs to us, not to scream. I believe that for anyone of the presents, the basic norm of survival is “feet why I want to you”.
How they try that the veterinarians we in the middle understand day what wants to communicate a dog? But that is the result of years of observation and study! I say to them that in char the one that I gave veterinarians recently, practically nobody was able to interpret the positions of an aggressive dog, and much less the causes of the aggressiveness. By all means this is fault of a lack of formation and the little capacity to identify behavior problems and to derive them to a specialist. In spite of this, if “it is called on to them” to some of them to be the valorador in a case, since it works by list order, must do it, cannot derive it to a specialist who dedicates itself to it.
Noncontentments with that, the City council, that is the first filter for the case denounced or communicated by the Service Andalusian of Health before a part of aggression, can appoint like valorador an official Veterinarian, who not even has received the famous course. In addition, the last one in deciding with our report in the hand, if the dog is dangerous IF is the City council or no.
The sadness of all the subject is that nobody knows who has elaborated all these norms nor to whom have requested him advising. To that we are here, of course they have not called to us. Nor we do not know either if they will have us to distribute the formation courses, that according to the Decree will have to follow the proprietors of dogs of considered races potentially dangerous.
protocol of action to value a case will vary in the different provinces Andalusian, according to consider the organisms local in
joint action. In the
A dog is object of denunciation or from aggressions. The report passes to the City council and this one to the School. The School designates to a veterinarian by list order, beginning by the letter designated in drawing. The veterinarian puts itself in contact with the proprietor to realise the pertinent report. The propietary one pays to the services to the School and this one to the valorador veterinarian. It informs happens to the City council that is the one that finally decides.
It informs into the valorador veterinarian consists of:
· Questionnaire of socialization for valuation of the potential danger of dogs.
· Veterinary report of valuation of the potential danger of dogs.
· Veterinary report of valuation of the biological agent PPP (those that already was catalogued like PPP).
Finally I would like to emphasize the problem of the proceeding to obtain the proprietor license of potentially dangerous dog, that surely will have undergone many of the assistants. To only say to him, and with they will understand it to this, that the veterinarians we preferred to identify in the registry of microchip to a dog like mestizo, not to have to happen through necessary the administrative proceedings, for which the competent organs are not agreed, and so the client does not do more than to give returns of a side for another one, to only continue having their dog. Although unfortunately some dogs undergo another cruel destiny.
You will say what has to do in all this Ethology. This is mainly what we wished to change. Because the professionals who we dedicated ourselves to her we are scientists. And here science by any side does not glimpse. Everything is a pure administrative proceeding that has neither feet nor head.
Thank you very much.
ROSANA ALVAREZ. Lawyer in Veterinary medicine by the
As last rapporteur of the Congress we have a:
3º Mr. Demetrio Madrid. He was the First President of the Independent Community of Castilla y Leon. Ex- Senator and ex- Deputy. He belongs to AEORMA (Defense of the Nature)
He has written some books and coauthor of others. Also he has written numerous articles for mass media.
He has realised numerous amendments of diverse subjects.
Mr. Demetrio has received several distinctions and decorations, among them we emphasized:
• Gold medal of the Independent Community of Madrid
• Order of the Constitutional Merit
• Gold medal of the Senate of
• Gold medal of Cortes of Castilla y Leon.
But what it more draws attention in IADCRO of Mr. Demetrio, it is that one Amendment that realised Being delegated and that I give myself like alternative to present and unfortunate Law PPP. The amendment of Mr. Demetrio, was the unique correct and effective alternative of that the problem of the attacks of dogs to people and the content of their amendment were given at that time before, agrees and so IADCRO asks for the present Government, the nonconvenience of cataloguing canine races of no negative way within the Law, starting off of the foundation of the nonexistence of Dangerous or Potentially Dangerous canine races.
Mr. Demetrio has the word ...........
COMMUNICATION OF Mr. DEMETRIO MADRID.
text of the congress of the deputies of the
The gentleman VICE-PRESIDENT (Fernandez-Vantage point
and Lozana): Thank you very much, Mr. Neat Lopez.
For the presentation of the amendment to the totality of return of the Socialist Parliamentary Group, Mr.
Mr. MADRID LOPEZ: The nonexistence of a legislation global and updated on the dog like animal of company and its social integration, as or figure in the legislation of the countries socially advanced, makes the approval of a suitable law that necessary it guarantees so much the security of the people and the responsibility of the possesors or owners of the dogs like the right to enjoy the company of this animal.
Sir president, delegated ladies and delegated gentlemen, Sir minister Posada, against the old theory of the dog like dangerous animal Rep, of the intrinsically harmful dog, the more innovating current of thought indeed sees in the dog an instrumental element that in agreement with the appropriate agreement can and must be used in great variety of activities. By its own characteristics, the dog belongs to a social species of instinct predator. Some of these activities into the hands of individuals with antisocial tendencies can be the development of the basic aggressiveness of the canine ones to create disturbances.
I want to raise this intervention in very positive terms of the use and the social relation of the dog with the citizens. The purpose therefore of a law on the potentially dangerous animal possession cannot be reduced to penalize the existence of dogs that present/display certain characteristics
racial or of the set of whatever they register within one it makes specific racial typology, not to penalize merely by its physical aspect, charts, weight, et cetera, but to look for the control and the limitation of those exhibitions of aggressiveness or antisocial violence in which they are used on the part of its proprietors, true people in charge of that aggressive conduct. The dog that shows aggressiveness towards learned the human being acts following you rule of conduct, reason why it is possible to consider that the violent subject is the owner and the dog is a mere object through which such violence is pronounced. Therefore, the dog will be dangerous following how it is educated to him and of it uses whom it.
On the other hand, it is necessary to psychically recognize the animal existence defective as a result of an inadequate raising in unsuitable ecological conditions for the species or with excess of consanguinity, hardly recoverable dogs and in which sterilization is advised. This reality contributes to the necessity to affect the control of genealogical books the raising of dogs of race like a guarantee of security for the citizens.
The existence of races cannot either refuse that genetically own a more irascible temperament, irritability than it can be exacerbated by diverse instincts, sexual, territorial, hierarchic, et cetera; but so that these units of the canine species become dangerous is not enough with the genetic message, they need an appropriate environment and a experience, factors both that only can provide the proprietor to him.
The totality of the canine races that the mass media have come indicating as attacking have near a century of existence; therefore the exposition would not be valid that within the canine species it has arisen in just a short time an uncontrollable eagerness to bite the citizens. Taken in consideration the fact that numerous anthropologists, sociologists and educators have detected in sectors of the modern society a flood and in some cases alarming irresponsibility degree, it is perhaps this factor the one that also can have notable lately incidence in the increase of aggressions carried out by the dogs. Therefore, the triggering factor of such aggressions is multi-factor: irresponsibility of the proprietor, inadequate education or training harnessing the ecological aggressiveness, unsuitable conditions, and finally genetic message.
The law project that presents/displays the Government to us, Sir minister, does not confront the problems, rather it gives the impression to elude them or to try to solve empty precipitadamente legislative and deep vices of the Administration without entering at heart of the problems. The law project does not respond to general missions on which the competential regime is based and that justifies the state intervention of arrangement on the matter, and nevertheless it decides on an administrative regime of management that affects the own scope of the autonomic and local competitions. The initiative, when extending its scope of application to the possession of any type of wild fauna in captivity and talking about to an indetermine potentially dangerous animal concept and whose concretion is relegated to the prescribed scope, brings about a confusion of concepts as far as the canine species. It does not respond the project of law to the problems basic, regarding the census and control of genealogy and zootechnics of the dogs, nor establishes guarantees on the veracity of certificates of origin and pedigrí, that is the bottom and the origin of any legislative and prescribed development there, by means of the opportune control of the intervention and inspection that must exert the Administration on these genealogical books.
This project of law, gentleman minister, does not approach the fulfillment of the European directives nor modifies the exclusive use and excluding of canine genealogical books in Spain, that as you very or know exists a private monopoly, that is to say the privatization of which it must be public. This aspect is fundamental and basic to confront any arrangement in the sector.
Finally, the law project does not contemplate the specific prohibition of the training of dogs for fights. The fights are prohibited, therefore this law does not have more to prohibit them; but it does not have nowhere, nor either in his project of law, anything that specifies the training of dogs for fights nor the requirements regarding the exercise of the profession of canine trainer or the corresponding ones to the regime of recognition, determination of rights and obligations, recognition, participation and control of the associations recognized for the raising of dogs in our country.
Regarding the above, the Socialist Parliamentary Group sees itself in the necessity to present/display this amendment to the totality of return, when considering that the law project will not serve in its basic structure, because does not reach the objectives that are required in the scope of legislation in a country socially advanced like ours.
Sir minister, with the personal respect that I have to him, I advise attention to him to the recent received inheritance, in the reorientation in subjects like which today we tried, but also in the linen, milk, the fishing grounds, relation with the independent communities, the European Union and others. The Ministry with the smaller possible ballast organizes, and I say it with greater loyalty; personal loyalty and loyalty also of which it guesses right in the functions that it has entrusted.
Delegated ladies and delegated gentlemen, for all these reasons and other many that are evident we cannot to explain, I ask for its vote responsible in favor of the return for this project of law for being from its origin, and I feel Sir minister
Mr. Demetrio Madrid. First President of the
Independent Community of
He has written some books and coauthor of others. Also he has written numerous articles for mass media
It has received several distinctions and decorations, among them we emphasized:
• Gold medal of the Independent Community of Madrid
• Order of the Constitutional Merit
• Gold medal of the Senate of
• Gold medal of Cortes of Castile and Leon.
But what it draws attention of Mr. Demetrio more, it is that one Amendment that realised Being delegated and that I give like present and unfortunate alternative to the Real Decree Law of the PPP. The amendment of Mr. Demetrio, was the unique correct alternative and effective before the problem of the attacks of dogs to people and the content of his amendment, he is exactly what IADCRO asks for the present Government, trying about the nonexistence of Dangerous canine races and the nonconvenience of cataloguing canine races of no negative way within the Law, since the Law must be applied to all the canine species, is of the race that is, size or mestization, so that all the dogs into the hands of IRRESPONSIBLE proprietors, are Potentially Dangerous and this is the reason reason why the Law must be directed to solely foment the proprietors responsible for dog, without mattering race that they own. So that the Law of the dogs is right and effective, it must be directed under these parameters and that is applicable for all the same, not to of a way and others of another one, like this happening at the moment for several years.
Today Mr. Demetrio would speak to us of its valuable amendment for the Spanish society.
After the communication of Mr. Demetrio, passage occurred to that the attending public set out their restlessness to be answered by the rapporteurs.
To say, that the attending public I enjoy enough and was very satisfied with this First Congress the International of IADCRO, which began to the hours and finalized to the hours of day 13 of June of 2009.
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